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In the second episode of the Mountain Malarkey Podcast, Andy and Dave discuss what equipment you need to smash your next trek or as Dave calls it, 'a complete load of Kit'.

Having the right kit for any adventure is super important, especially for a trek at high altitude. The EverTrek Yeti’s discuss the equipment ‘Must Have’s’, the equipment you need for certain weather conditions.

Things the guys talk about:

  • The one piece of kit you really shouldn’t be without on the trail.
  • A couple of life hacks that will make life easier on a trek to Everest
  • Learn what are the ‘optional’ pieces of kit
  • Bad weather or inappropriate clothing

“Would you go with a baseball cap over walking boots?”

“Imagine an albatross walking across rocks”

“The topography in Nepal has a sense of humour”

 

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Hey everyone, it's Andy here and uh, Dave, the painted Yeti, you remember your name there? Your why are you, why do you start off with such a difficult question? Uh, and the second episode of the mountain malarkey podcast

yeah. Once again, I know we had a great time recording the last episode, which was all around, how dangerous high altitude trekking is. If you haven't listened to it yet, definitely go back and listen to that and, hope you really enjoy it. But today, what's this one all about, Dave? Um, well, to be honest with you, this episode is just a complete load of kit. You're going to use that one? No, no, no. We're going to talk about, um, we're going to talk about equipment trekking equipment. Nice. And, uh, why it means so much to us and why it should mean a lot to you. But, um, what have you been up to me? I know you've, you've been, yeah, it's been, it's been a busy couple of weeks really. Um, so it was my birthday.

Yeah. So, uh, had a great time. I had some mountain time. It's been great conditions over the last couple of weeks. Uh, well actually I know we're recording this now, but in November especially, it's been fantastic. Yeah. North Wales I went up to place called Ogwen Valley. Yeah. Did some hiking there. Uh, which was fantastic. And you know, relates back to what we're talking about because it was winter conditions in the autumn. Yeah. But you're talking low, two, three, two, three foot snow, icy, you know, so I needed my crampons needed my ice axe Uh, it was very windy up there. I saw the, I saw the pictures and the videos and I'm, to be fair, it didn't seem like something that I was expecting in the UK at that time of year. Normally it's wet. Yeah. Well, especially in Wales. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So when, when I, when I saw you were like, you know, knee deep in snow in some parts.

Yeah. I'll be honest, a little bit jealous. It was, it was fun. I, I, you know, in my eyes there's nothing, there's no better weather than that. I know, I love it. I love the, you know, cold, obviously it's challenging, but that's as has its appeal. Um, but more than that, I mean that was, that was great. I mean that was only, I say only an eight hour, eight hour trip the next weekend when with a good friend of mine,, James who runs a a photography business and, a bit of a personal story to him really. He lost his dad, um, I believe it was within the last couple of years and he tackled a high pass, I think it's the highest mountain pass in the UK called Lairig GHRU. Yep. And he invited me along to, to walk with him and I gotta be honest, I didn't really know too much about it, but I'm, you know, doing a bit of research after he said, right, we're going to do it.

And we picked a date, whether it was wet, windy, dry, we're just going to go for it. And you know what, one of the best hiking days I've ever had. Certainly one the longest. Yeah. It was pretty extreme. Well, it took us 17 hours. I know. I was, I remember I sent you a text sort of mid day. Yeah. And by sort of six I was at lunch then. Yeah. By type by six. I was thinking, okay, so I'm mountain rescue. No, it was great. It's, it's a long day. I think, um, in hindsight we probably should have split over two days and there's a Bothy up there and we could have stayed if you definitely want a really good I mean obviously this is long, but if you fancy a couple of training days out in Scotland, I highly recommend Lairig Ghru, but stay in the bothy.

We didn't, it was four feet of snow soft snow. And James isn't the small guy. He's six foot three. He by his own admission, he's big boned. Um, so he went straight through that 4 foot of snow. You imagine that it took us probably about seven hours longer than it would in the summer because of the conditions. It's very isolated up there. You have to get over. There's no shops. There's nothing. It's a Cairngorms. Um, but yeah, that was fantastic. And you know what? I know we were talking about dangers and things in the last, in the last episode. Um, but about resilience and James had that in abundance. He'd never done a hike longer than three hours. That's impressive. And he went 17 hours. That is impressive. And I highlight a lot of what we're going to talk about today. You know, and having the right kit having right kit, you've got to know important.

That would have been a complete and total disaster if you hadn't had your window equipment with you. You know, like, um, tracking eyes hacks, crampons, proper protective clothing from the cold and wet and things like that. So. Yeah, exactly. Um, like if, if you, if you listen to this, we do have a full, downloadable kit guide. If you're interested, if you do go to the, uh, the show notes, it will be in there. But obviously if you're listening, if you go to bit.ly forward slash BC equipment guide, the BC is capitals and then equipment guide, you'll be able to get the full trekking equipment lists that we put together for high altitude trekking, uh, in the Himalayas. But you know, it's, it's very, um, you can use it on any high altitude trip really. I mean, it doesn't have to be just Everest base camp.

You can be Kilimanjaro, it can be match Machu Picchu. Um, but it's got everything in there. Highly recommend you download that. We'll be going into a little more detail about specific equipment on this episode, but if you, you know, if you get yourself put the kettle on, sit down your Sunday afternoon, have a little read through it, it's quite comprehensive. I think it's over like 30, 35 pages. But I highly recommend it because you might get some, um, well you will find some real nuggets in there or gleam of golden nuggets. Golden nugget. Yeah. Um, but right. Yeah. Should we, should we get into the episode? Yeah, we're not, let's crack on. Okay. So when it comes to equipment then, I mean that's what we're talking about today, isn't it? What equipment do you need to smash your next track and yeah, when it comes to equipment, you, there's, there's certain equipment that stands out that you really need on each trip.

Yeah. Base camp. What would you say would be the one piece you wouldn't without on the EBC trip? Good question. Sorry. Dave put you in the position there. No, no. They, yeah, that is a toughie. There's so many really crucial bits of kit that I actually bring with me. Yeah. You know, one things of like, I'm going to exclude the obvious, like my boots. Yeah. My damn jacket and stuff like that. I'm going to exclude those items because hopefully they go without saying. Um, but kind of say they'd be really important, Dave. Yeah. They would be really important. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, go ahead. The one piece of kit that I really wouldn't want to live without when I go to Everest base camp, uh, I T do you know what I'm going to go with? Yeah. I'm going to go with my, the latest baseball cap though.

I bought perfect. I run hot, I sweat incredibly even when it's cold elsewhere and I've always struggled to find a, a baseball cap that I like. It keeps, no, this one is like, it's by an American mate called Filson. Um, and it's, it's like a trucker cap but it's netted all of the top. Really? Yeah. It just has all the heat and you all this on the last trip I wore on the last trip there wasn't really fundamentally changed my trek and experience. I see all these people wear baseball caps and I've wanted to join them, but I can't because that my head just cooks and it just ends up soaking. But this was brilliant and kept the sun out my eyes. You know, if I, if I wanted to keep the sun off my head, I just put a buff on or something like that.

It was, it was brilliant. Yeah. I'm not sure if it came to, is the one piece that I couldn't live without, but I'm just going to say it definitely. Um, actually I don't know what the stylish perspective, my sunglasses. Yeah. That's, that's the one decade I wouldn't do every space camp trip if I didn't have my sunglasses. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, that, you know, thinking about it logically. Yeah. I'm going to go with sunglasses. Okay. Okay. What I'm going to, I'm going to now you can't see sunglasses, but I'm going to fire it back at you. Well, I to go boring because I do believe this is the most important part. You know what I'm going to say? Um, but yeah, when it comes to your boots, I truly believe if there's one piece on any, especially when it comes to multi-day tracking, yeah. You have to have the right boots, you know? I mean, I do know people that have turned up, bought boots and Katmandu and they've done the track without any hassle. Then I also know it can cause DIC agro.

I'm something of like a degenerate when it comes to these, I think I own nine, maybe 10 pairs of boots, but that's largely because of my struggle to find a pair that I can live with. Um, do you know what, uh, we were on a training weekend in September I believe, and one of our customers Kiarra um, she was tracking in a pair of boots. I thought it looked pretty cool. Like old school kind of leather Mendel Bhutan's right. They're not cheap. Um, but certainly, you know, well-priced 200 quid, let's go, let's be specific. 200 quid. Um, uh, bought a pair and they have uh, combined with some of these new insoles I bought. They have revolutionized my tracking experience. I can go down Hills. No end. Well that is an improvement. That is an improvement. I mean you joking. No, right. You've seen me. Yeah, you do take it.

Yeah. You are ungainly slower on the downhills on it. I look ridiculous. It's like, imagine like an albatross trying to walk across rocks. That level of ungainly sort of flow. That is definitely analogy of the week. That's my analogy of the week isn't I am like an a an a yeah, like an like, yeah, like a like a sort of albatross wings. I gate trying to walk across rocks. That used to be me going down Hill. I am mature footed as a mountain goat. Let me tell you, it's, it's, it's fascinating the difference if you get the feet right, my knees no longer hurt. I don't get like ache. It's, it's, it's from the, it's been revolutionary from the toes to the tip my head. Well, may I think, yeah, it's important isn't it? And as you said, you found a pair of boots, now it's taken you many pairs, many pairs, but it just shows how important it is because you know, on the average space camp track, it's very undulating.

Yup. You can even on the descent, your asset in terms of climbing per day is probably six or 700 meters, even though you're going down. Yeah. So you know, you still need versatile boots. The topography of Nepal is, yeah, it's got a sense of humor, let's put it that way. You know, it's, there is no, there's no flat doesn't exist. You know, you are a climbing or descending. Um, and that's it. Yeah. Very, very well made I think. Yeah. So in terms of, yeah, one piece of kit mine would definitely have to be boots, but you know, ultimately you could get away with it. I know people who turn up, they don't even wear boots, just wear trekking shoes. But as you know, I mean I highly, if you listen to this and yet you go on and Everest base camp track, we always recommend having, you know, a little bit of ankle support because you don't want to roll an ankle.

Yeah. You don't want that the first couple of days just because you want to try and not be the hero, but you know, we'll have their extra protection roll an ankle and you came over, you know, you, you may as well have the extra protection. Not to mention I was there a couple of weeks back a few weeks back now and it was cold. Yeah. Those, the boots give you extra installation, you know, if you've got the shoes, the point that Jay does this, just, you know, my feet were warm the whole time. Um, yeah. So we recommend boots. We're proponent for boots and sunglasses and caps and sunglasses. Again, the cap, the cap. Yeah. Not crucial, but um, yeah, it's revolutionized my, my cap where in experience to be honest. And I never think, I mean, do you say cap? I mean for me, I Bernie easy. So a cap will get, I mean it's important when you're a high altitude, the air thinner gotta protect your face and your nose from whales.

You know, we've, we don't often see the sun. I don't even know if there's a Welsh word for sun, but, um, yeah, I tell you what, here's an interesting question. Okay. Desert Island discs, excluding all the useful items. What's the one luxury item you would, you would take with you on a track? So this is what they do in desert Island is I'll give you the Bible, the complete works of Shakespeare and you're allowed to take one luxury item. What's it going to be? What are those two? Oh, I'll give you those two. You can have those something else, but it can't be useful. So it can't be like a knife or anything like that. It's a luxury item. A luxury item. So bloody good question. Luxury item. I mean, it's weird though, because when you want to track the luxury items and never there, let's be honest.

Yeah. I mean you can take them with you like, um, bars of Snickers. Yeah. Some nuts. Yeah. When wipes and trips, wet wipes are bloody luxury, are they? Yeah. And yeah, if you listening wet wipes should definitely be on, on, on the list 100%. But if it was a luxury item, yeah. Good one mate. Very good. You can tell this is unscripted. Yeah, I know, I know typically, but I think it have to be a bed warmer luxury and obviously if there's electricity there, I mean, I know we do have it sometimes when we're lucky by face [inaudible] if you're going to have that, each, this fictional Everest base camp, desert Island. You relayed that a nice and, yeah. Yeah. I like that. Had you, um, do you know what all of that time you were thinking of yours you would have thought I'd have thought of mine?

I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know whether maybe my anchor power bank, but I don't know whether that considers to useful, you know, that is useful, isn't it? I mean anchor, I mean having power is, and if you bring your phone, yeah. If you bring in, yeah. GoPro or anything like that, it needs energy. I suppose. Always electricity, high altitude, we should say other brands are available. I have tried many. My favorite is this 26 days and 800 amp, what's it called? Yeah, it's basic. Basic. 26,000 means it's huge. Yeah. It's huge. Yeah. I mean it's big. You know, it's a weighty item. I sacrifice maybe a couple of extra base layers for it, but yeah, no, maybe that, um, yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. So we know then we're forever on a desert Island. I'll have electric blanket and I'll have a power bank.

Yeah. So yeah. Really sexy. Yeah. To be honest, there's a useful exchange there. Yeah, that's good. I compare it. You can warm it, so you know, and uh, yeah, if you want to, I'll have to have a lend if you want to use my power. Um, so with equipment then obviously it's massively important. Yeah. With is a couple of like maybe secret things that you use that probably wouldn't be on normal list. For example. There's a couple of things that I did I use and generally it's come from experience. Yeah. Cockups really? Yeah. You know, I'm either complacency, your little mistakes or things that have happened out of my control that have led me to, you know, just think that yeah. I'm gonna pack that. Um, there's a couple of things. One of them is always, um, duck duck tape. I always packed duck tape.

Yeah. Yep. And um, because of duct tape, I always know check my gear correctly and pack Spears of things because of duct tape because I, I just put it in my bag and I didn't think about it and I prepared my over, repaired my water bladder before. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I don't all have gorilla tape in my pack and I just put it over there. Perfect seal. Nice. Um, it was great. My bag was wet all day because I lost some water. But you know, I didn't lose all of it. Right. Yeah, yeah. Um, and yeah, and I repair boots before when my lease is broken. I just strapped them, strapped them up and there was a result. I always check my gear, make sure there's not rips and I always kept releases. Um, but I suppose one of the most important ones that I have now back in, I think it was August, no in July, can't remember, but I was with some avid trackers and we were going up, um, an informal meet up with some people I met on the trail in April.

Um, we went up Ben Nevis. Yeah, we did buy nebbish there, but by the CMD route. Nice. Um, so we've been like, yeah, about a third of the way at the tourist route. Shoot off to the left, go up to this cabin, climb up this deep as all hell Ridge and then follow the Ridge line to the summit. It was great one. Now, I packed about three and a half liters of water with me, which is normally enough to me normally. Yeah. Not this day. Uh, it was, we were about nine hours all in all. And it was scorching. I mean, so hot. You gonna be careful up there, haven't you? Yeah, it's insane. And I'm, I run hot and I sweat a lot. Yeah. And I run out of water probably three hours before the end of the trim. Dave and man, all I could think about was in the back of my van, was my water like purifier the bottle of water with a filler in it.

So I could have filled up from any stream, any burn and just been totally fine talking about water filters. Keep a close eye on this because we, although we use water purifiers in every space camp. Yeah. We're soon to be releasing, um, some of our own bottled purifiers we use on the trips. So definitely keep a look out on our Facebook page and on the website as well. We'd be OB advertising those because you can play with, yeah, very soon. And, uh, and I wish you, you wish you would have had one, two days. Honestly. I mean, and this is absolutely genuine. Um, you know, and I was with Stuart, uh, Kate Rasheen, all of these guys, we all it, um, yeah, yeah. Carlin, absolute beast of a guy, uh, customer Dave. And we absolutely. Yeah. It was, it was a gorilla. It was, we all got sunburn.

It was, it was insane. But yeah, the biggest thing was the water. When you run out of water and you run out of water four hours before the end of a hot day. Yeah. Like I run out of water a couple of times, you know, an hour before the end of the trip. It's nothing. You don't think about it. This was bad. This was bad to be careful with that. Yeah. So, um, yeah, that, that was it. So I carry it everywhere I have it. No, you, you're right. When it comes to water filters, I mean, hydration issues. Yeah. You know, I know you've used that in the UK and using it on a track, a high altitude, especially in Nepal, you know, next to the rivers you could easily fill up. Yeah. I mean, I know on our trips we do use water filters anyway.

Yeah. You know, through buckets. But ultimately if you took a water filter bottle with you, yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a great chat. It's a great chat. It's a life hack when you're out there because there were little things like brushing your teeth, you know, when you want to brush your teeth at night and stuff like that. Um, yeah. You can just get water from anywhere, put it in the filler job done. Um, yeah, it's, it's great. I mean, to be honest, we've cracked the water system on, at least on the base contract now, but certainly for things like, um, Kelly will be doing the same. Yeah, we'll be rolling that out definitely. But you know what, these, these things are like, they're like condoms. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. I got to change my analogy of the week.

Very good. Very good. Um, yeah, I mean when it comes to, I mean just, just sort of moving on, we talk about obviously we've got the equipment now. We don't have to go through every piece of equipment tonight because it's going to take ages. So I do recommend you download the guide if you're, if you're interested, don't forget it's in the show notes, but important as well is your duffle bag cause you've got to carry everything you're taking with you. Yeah. Now if you do book onto an Everest trip, obviously you know Dave, you know what I'm going to say? Yeah. But you do get an 80 liter duffle bag to you so you can put, put your gear in there, you know, sleeping bag, all the other stuff that you need in the duffle bag and leave the other one back at the hotel.

Yeah. Works absolutely a treat. But some people do take their own, don't they? I mean we, I mean we do sometimes I got a duffle bag of my own, which I used for like, you know, traveling and stuff like that because it's just an easy, robust thing to use. Um, and I can just, you know, throw it around. But yeah, it's, it's actually one of the, one of the FAQ, you know, what'd you do with your luggage before you go on a track with everything that you don't need for the trip and yeah. You just lock it in the hotel, leave it there, take an ever, ever Trek bag with you. Um, um, I'm very proud of the bags actually. One thing, they're really good. Other people don't believe us. All people don't believe it. A lot of the time when we tell them you get to keep it, take it home, you as yours.

I know. I would love it if people started tagging me in, you know, the other bag. See, I want to know where it's taken them. You know, if you're listening and you have a picture of the duffel bag, yep. Then this is the challenge for you. Um, why don't you post a picture on Instagram or Facebook tag ever Trek and use hashtag ever bag and yeah. Let's see. Let's see what we can do. Let's see if anyone posts on there. Yeah, why not? So, yeah. And yeah, if you do, I'll next time I see you, I'll give you a big hug. Yeah.

Um, but yeah, I, you know, when it comes to the duffle bag, obviously it, it, it is important. Yeah. But you get one with us, which is great. And yeah, I just thought I'd mention it because you could have all the equipment you like yeah. When you're going to put it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm really like, I suppose the big ticket items really are the duffle bag. Yeah. The Dame jacket and the sleeping bag. Yeah. And those, is this a coincidence end? But when you become elite, you get to keep the bag and you get completely free rental of the other two items you can use the other two eggs. Yeah, I do recommend get a, um, a liner for the bag cause the bags are not brand new. They are clean and sanitary. Um, but most people psychologically like to sleep in something that no one else has slept in.

The, uh, the liner is a 15, 20 pounds diesel liner. Exactly. Also, it's another little life hack on the mountains because you'd be surprised how warm they keep you if you've got a nice good quality silk liner. Yeah, I'm quite intuitive. Yeah, it's great. And so we talk about, you know, the equipment. So the optional stuff and then we, you know, we've, we've, we've been on trips multiple times now. There's things that we took on one trip. We didn't, I know there's one that's quite big, especially early on. I didn't really use that much. I do now cause I know the benefits of it is trekking poles. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I remember the first trip I did, I took one. I say I took one, I bought one in Katmandu. Yeah. Because I, you know, I was carrying my GoPro. I didn't, I wanted to keep my hands a bit freer, you know, cause you never know a mixed terrain.

You, you want to keep a hand free to skate, you fall. But now I, you know, in the last couple of tracks of high altitude, I find it massively easier using too. Yeah, it gives you a bit of a rhythm. Your body's more balanced. So you imagine you're using what arm all the time you're going to be, your posture's going to be rubbish. You know, it's just a lot easier, especially on the downs. You mentioned earlier about your boots on the downs, trekking poles. I, I think the stats are roughly that if you use trekking poles on the descent, it looks after, reduces the effect of your knees by 30%, which is huge truce to be honest, I never used to use to, um, I heard a lot of good things about adopting a two stick approach. Yeah. But I never did and to be honest, like I did a lot of tracks and I never really didn't strictly notice the benefit until right knee decided it didn't want to play ball.

And I started nursing a little issue and using tracking poles, it didn't just like, you know, mask the issue while I was tracking it. It's helped the issue. Now, if I go on a Trek with eight, my tracking poles like one or two, I don't know is it, but the tracking poles were made a huge difference. And even, even on relatively flat terrain, um, you think you know, half a mile. Yeah. They'll make no difference if you're doing a 26 mile or something like that. Yeah. That's going to help. Yeah. It makes a huge difference. It makes a huge difference. So yeah, I'm a big fan of trackables. I like everything, you know, being the degenerate that I am, I have to try out quite a few different options. Yeah. There's, I mean there's plenty of options out there and you can spend a lot of money on tracking.

Yeah. You can go a bit, you can go a bit crazy with it. And I'd be, I'd be honest, I, I'm probably one of those people, but uh, but only, but that, I suppose I justify it by the virtue of my job. But actually, you know, if, if you're looking at getting poles for the first time and stuff like that, there are really good polls out there that you don't have to spend. Like, you can't run a liquid on. You can buy them in Katmandu too. I mean, yeah, if you, if you come with us and you arrive in Katmandu and you think, well, I'd want to spend a lot of money on trekking poles, um, when you arrive, uh, you know, you meet your guide, they can always take you to other local stores. We'll have a walk around Tamel you can just find them there.

Yeah. It's plenty of options for around 10 pounds. Tamil is like, you know, maca for trackers. It's great, isn't it? It's crazy. You wouldn't get a replacement. I mean, you can get a lot of sort of, you know, North face, Chinese edition. Yeah. Um, but they're, you know, they're really good shops. So one of the great, uh, last time we were in there, we went to, um, a local shop. We saw it in Katmandu and we saw it in Nam sheet called Sona. So now, yeah. Okay. So Napa leaves make and um, they got some pretty interesting stuff. Okay. There are really good mid-range sort of brand, you know. And um, just just to, just to clarify, we're not associated in any way with this brand. Yeah. I happen to need a fleece when I was in [inaudible], um, because the one that I brought, you know, I don't know, I wasn't that good Nick.

Was that, yeah, no, I've had it for a few years and it was like an old trusty favorite. And then I saw this other one and I was like, no, that's much better. So yeah, I didn't, you know, that leads me onto another thing. You know, it is about keeping your kid in good Nick as well. You know, like I get a bit sentimental about things, you know, like I wore my first pair of boots like way too long because I didn't want anything left on the soul cause I didn't want to give them up. But actually now I'm, I don't really feel sentimental about it. I just want my stuff to work. But you want it to work. You want like comfort plus, you know, if it's winter and you're on a bit of terrain, that's, you know, you've got a steep edge next to you on good grip than you.

Yeah. We want to be thinking I could slip or any moment here. Yeah, exactly. You know, you need to have decent boots. I mean, that's, I think one of the most important things are bad equipment. It's not about having all the equipment, it's about having the right equipment. Yes. You know, so if you're going out in winter conditions and you haven't thought about carrying an ice ax, you haven't thought about bringing crampons, you haven't got good winter boots, um, insulated clothing and you know, stuff that protects you from both the wind, the cold and the wet, then you're not adequately prepared adequately. So, you know, if you wore all of that on a summer's day, Oh, you know? Yeah. That's just silly, isn't it? You're going to cook. Yeah. And it's rather fines. I'm at a pleasure of meeting rattle fines, serval fines last year, September, about two days before I went to Everest base camp when my sister and, and here's one of his famous quotes, was it no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing. Yeah. And I really believe that that's why I don't use umbrellas, Dave.

Right. So a personal joke. Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll own up to it. There's only one way to deal with this now is just to own, own it. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. No, I just want to do, yeah, I use an umbrella one time, you know, when was that? It was in Himalaya. Yeah. It was on the last day on the way to look [inaudible] and I just want to point out that I gifted away my waterproof jacket to another track in the matter that I am. And as I gave it away, the monsoon decided to have one last crack. That was Epic rain, wasn't it? That was, yeah. Late up late September, early October. And it lashed down four hours. But you know what? I was walking along thinking, Oh, I'm a hardcore tracker, I can deal with this. And then a local Sherpa fan of walking down the road, big green on his face, you know, nodded at me and said, now my stay umbrella.

And I was like, no, no, you know, I'm, I'm going to learn from the locals. And I went in and he, I bought the most expensive umbrella ever purchased and company in Nepal. Good man. I remember that. And I was thinking, yeah, fair dues. Cause you went to someone's house or something? Uh, well it was like a little slight. It was like, it was like a little store, but I said to the guy, I need an umbrella. He said he didn't have one. And I was like, well, you know how much, how much, how much for this umbrella that you don't have. And after, you know, some thousand rupees, he produced an umbrella. And um, it wasn't brand new, but it does get the job on it. It was waterproof. I felt like a tour guide, you know, follow the umbrella. I wonder if some other fines would ever wear an umbrella.

I have a feeling that Serrano finds that I'd like to ask him. Yeah, he would do, he would do whatever he needed to do. Yeah, that's very true. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I have to be honest, you know, um, Dave knows as much as I'm into trekking and climbing and everything. I also liked golf and I've used an umbrella or two when I'm playing golf. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean I hear many Gulf fists, you know, they're not really called golf lists. Um, but no. Yeah, I know you have to keep your golf bats dry and um, uh, but um, yeah, when it comes to, uh, yeah, when it comes to clothing moving, you need, it is key that you have the right stuff, isn't it? And like with this, um, with this episode, that's what we wanted to sort of talk about bits of equipment without telling you, right, you're going to have this, this, this, this, this.

If that's the case, and you, and are specific information, as I mentioned before, definitely download the, the tracking equipment guide. It's in the show notes, but if you're listening, it's a bit dot Lee. So L Y forward slash BC equipment guide and you can download our trekking equipment guide. It'll also just give you a little introduction to what equipment we recommend on, on every space camp. Um, also as well, before we leave, uh, obviously this is our second episode, but we want to get to get out there and there's to be listened by as many people as possible. So if you've enjoyed it, do subscribe to the podcast, leave us a little review as well. If you're on iTunes or Spotify, I know, you know, depends if your Android or Apple phone, but, um, it's awesome to, to, you know, get this out there and hopefully make a difference out if it, if you're planning a track or climb a high altitude.

Um, and yeah, Dave, so final word may, I'll leave it with you again. Um, yeah, I think the final word, I think it's, yeah, it's not about having all the kit. Yeah. It's about having the right kit. Yeah. Um, and if I can leave anybody with any advice, it's do your research. Um, use the guide. I wish the guide existed before, you know, when I first went to base camp, it didn't. Um, and uh, also we have a, an amazing, um, Facebook group. Yeah, we did, which is a really powerful community. Um, it's sort of run by us, but not really. I mean, we own it, but we don't really, you guys run it, you know, um, high altitude, have a track is on Facebook. It's a community of people, um, who have come together and it's, it's far reaching. It's not even just people that have gone on trips with us, you know, there are people that have gone on to base camp and other companies, but stay in the group useful.

Um, and actually I welcome it, you know, because what that group is about is what this podcast is about. It's open to everybody and anybody that's got the interest that we have and we hope that you're able to, uh, find something useful. Absolutely. Yeah. It's a great group, isn't it? Um, no, you're right. Bang on. You've got to have the um, you know, um, the right kit is the right time as well. Yeah, exactly. You can, you know, there's lots of different times you can get to the poor, uh, get to Everest base camp, not just DePaul. Um, whether you're going in like late autumn, which is very cold. I mean, you were tracking it was cold, it was really cold. Yeah. But you could go in and say may and it's relatively warm, relatively warm, so slightly different equipment. Yeah. And also I think expect the unexpected and prepare, you know, um, prepare for any eventuality.

Um, you know, because it's particularly in, you know, we've been in Bracken before may interchangeable. The matrons were unpredictable, you know, so pack a light waterproof stuff with you. I don't know, you know, an intelligent approach as I always say, you know, I'm not a fan of winging it. I like to know that, you know, things have been adequately controlled. But you know, another thing I want to put out there is that this is my absolute favorite subject. So, you know, I'm, if you want to call me and have a conversation about this, uh, yeah, I'd be more than come on willing to do that. Yeah, definitely. Um, I mean, I, I call it that details are on the, in the show notes. Um, but if you want to to email info at ever tracked, I've got at UK, um, there's also, you know, if you've got any questions about anything to do with equipment, just fire them our way or if you remember the Facebook group, just our little posts, I'm sure you get heaps of answers from the other trackers on there.

And you know, like I said, we, we don't beyond the group, but we do, um, you know, we'll jump in from time to time and throw our two pennies worth in there predominantly. Yeah. We just take a step back and we let you guys, you know, work together and, yeah, it's, it's wonderful. Yeah. Good man. All right. Cheers. Dave's been awesome episode. Yeah, absolutely. Let's look, looking forward to the next one. I'm looking forward to analogy of the week next week as well. Yeah, no, wait for that. Yeah. Maybe I'll actually do one next week. We'll see. Yeah, I'll be honest. That would help because I don't actually think these things through beforehand. I just, I just got to try, you know, I'm going to contradict myself now. I just wing it. You wing it with that stuff. That made us very good. Okay, well look, thanks for listening. Um, yeah. See you next week and, uh, yeah. Have an awesome week. Whatever you're up to in the mountains or in life. Yep. All the best guys. See you soon.

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